well I think the industry has the same colours, most vendors I order from like TopLace have 1B as off black etc.

it's just a recently bought a colour ring and I am talking with another vendor that said colours 8-17 was womens colours and that is why they are not listed to have, and I see TopLace is similar as well.

here is a link that may help us.

http://www.venuscosmetics.co.uk/userimag...RTPAGE.JPG

also I see you have 20R and 22R as selectable colours

my colour ring has 22NAB, 22NAB-2, 22SB & 22NB.

can you direct me into which one Is like 22R, or which 1 of these 4 I could use for a reference.