Vinton Harper, I get a great hold with just the Ultra and then ORWG for the front hairline. I'd use nothing but Ultra, but I feel like the hairline won't stand up to time.

The ORWG hasn't failed me yet. I can usually get about 3-4 days out of ultra hold as long as I don't wet when shower.

I'd like to point out, I did shower once with the Ultra and it still held after I got out and blew dry.