Thanks for that Hersute... as I said, the only ones I`m used to using are the `professional` ones such as Koleston..... and I know how they `behave`...those other over-the-counter branded ones such as `Just for men` I have always avoided as I imagined the results could be not what I wanted.... I just figured the stylists/salons would all use them if they were so good etc... I`m sure they`re fine for certain situations ---- I was unaware [until now] that they `act`/ `behave` differently ...it sure explains stealth`s situation. I think he should follow your advice and get that colour remover and start over with the Koleston/peroxide mix. At least that has clarified things ..... good to share that.... cheers.