Thanks very much mr burns that is very kind of you, i would be extremely grateful for your help, I have not got MBs dvd but i have been watching video clips of him on youtube, thing is im very clumsy and things like making a template would be a bit of a struggle for me to get right, id just rather have someone who has some experience to give me a helping hand at the start , and to make sure things are done right to begin with, i live in the another, so im not to far away , thank you so much for your generosity.